It all started in 1959 when I came to Harrisburg and frank gable happened to be working at Harrisburg. Rosary company and I were working for an actuarial firm and I stopped in to talk to the bosses there and I saw some nice young fellow there and I talked to him and that happened to be franklin Abel.

We got together over the years playing bridge playing other games going out with a family and I was also growing my own firm from a one-person employee until that’s grown to a pretty big size. We have 20 partners and 115 employees in actuarial consulting and investment consulting. We use franklin’s firm to hire secretaries one of whom was one of the Isaac and girls. She turned out to be a 20-year employee of ours and it turned out that my son married one of the cousins of the Isaac men, so we’re all connected in all these things.

Debbie is doing a phenomenal job. We continue to get our employees from her. We continue to be of any assistance and we got into the investment management business and we’ve been investing money for franklin and the family. Over the years so it’s been a wonderful connection in so many ways.